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Daniel Aaron:
What does it take to create a vibrant, thriving life? First, the sad news is that Thoreau was right most people are leading quiet lives of desperation, lacking in meaning, fulfillment, and vitality. But we choose more. We choose to create extraordinary lives and the art of vibrant living. Show entertains you with inspiration, empowerment and education to create your life into a masterpiece. It's time. Let's vibe up. Aloha y'all! Welcome to the show. I am Daniel Aaron, your host. This is the Art of Vibrant Living living show entertaining you? Yes. Most importantly though, empowering you. Please soak it in. Yes, Karen is going to drop some amazing wisdom today. You'll be inspired, guarantee it. And where the rubber meets the road is you taking this on and playing with it, applying it in your life. So I am so delighted that y'all get to meet Karen Rosenberg today. Let me tell you about her. She's been an artist, a performer for 22 years. Wait, yeah, 22 years. And in four continents and 22 countries, I had to double check the the double 22. Um, she is an amazing being an expert in talent development, community building. She's an artist. She's a coach. She is the creator of an embodiment, practice and movement. She's got so much wisdom in the union of spirit and body and creation. So happy that you are here with us. Karen, thank you for joining us.

Keren Rosenberg:
I need to do a boogie a bit. Yes.

Daniel Aaron:
A boogie a boogie. Yes. Awesome. Cool. Well, so and again, thank you because you are, uh, you know, far away from here in Hawaii, in Amsterdam, staying up late for us for the show. I really appreciate that. And I have the great advantage here of knowing you a little bit already. Not everyone does. So to be a performer, to make the bridge into being a coach. Would you tell us a little bit about your background, how you got to be up to what you're doing in the world?

Keren Rosenberg:
Wow. Um, do I start in this lifetime or a few lifetimes before.

Daniel Aaron:
You start wherever you think is going to be just right.

Keren Rosenberg:
Well, first of all, to everyone that listens before I jump in and share what I want to create together with whoever is listening is a space for radical presence. Because even though the distance in geography is present, I am so grateful for technology that together, um, our vibration and you hear my dog here wants to say hello. Um, is is so present. So whoever is listening, um, I really want to invite you to create a space where you can be really present with whatever is going to be shared here today, Because what I'm about to share and the depth in which already Daniel and myself have gone, has been so profound. And the reason I'm showing up here is because I would like that every person that is going to be listening to this live or recording, it doesn't matter. You are stepping in to the information towards your own transformation. So you can you can walk with it and say, oh my God, you know, I had another podcast listened to with this girl, woman, whatever octopus in in Amsterdam. And my invitation is to seriously pause whatever else you're doing other than being with yourself, with your body, with your vibrations, and with what is about to happen. Because I'm here to play.

Daniel Aaron:
Thank you. That's a beautiful invitation. And I am with you, as it says on the wall in the casino in Las Vegas. You must be present to win. And it is a miraculous thing that our scientific understanding of quantum physics helps us really get that. Yeah. Here you are in Amsterdam, here I am in Holland, and people may be watching live or by rebroadcast. And we are connected.

Keren Rosenberg:
Absolutely in the heart and the spirit and in our vibrations.

Daniel Aaron:
Yeah. Beautiful. All right, so what what else would you love to share to help people just understand a little bit more of who you are, to give them more context for what we're going to get into. You've got an extraordinary background.

Keren Rosenberg:
Yeah, I think we all have an extraordinary background. It's more about how we look at our background or our journey of creation, um, because we all get to live a miraculous life, and it's more about the way we create ourselves into the Voyagers on this journey. So, um, I asked my mom and, you know, my mom asked me a while ago, would you like me to tell you about your birth? And I said, yeah, I would love to. And she said, you were born huge. You were so big. And you stayed nearly nine and a half months in my belly. And birthing you was the easiest thing. Like I fell asleep while birthing you. And the doctors asked me, hey, lady, do you want to? Do you want to give birth today? You need to wake up. It's time to push. And when I was born, I had the umbilical cord around my throat and and it was immediately removed. And my mom said as soon as I was out of the womb, I was like, already, like, pounding. I was like, uh, I was more than 8 pounds, baby. Like, I was really big and I was more than half a meter. So I guess I was always awake inside my body. I always needed to move. And, um. And in a way, my way of experiencing life was, especially as a child, was creating fantastical universes and imagining that I am creating them with my body. So I would, um, raid my mom's closet. And back then there were records, and I would stare at the records and then, you know, and I would create myself as the as the artists that I was looking at. And I would choose a song, and then I would create the show and imagine that thousands of people are watching. And, um, yeah, I was pretty much of a rebel like they wrote in my high school graduation, where would we be in 20 years time? They wrote, Karen is going to be the next Madonna. I was like, wow. And it didn't happen. There is only one Madonna. There is only one room for the Madonna. Um, and on I was going a bit on a on a very dangerous slope after leaving the army. Israel you have to to be in the army. And I was a bit like roaming, not knowing where I want to be. And on an LSD trip in an outdoor illegal rave, I decided that I'm going to be a dancer. I'm going to take it all in. And I had this vision and this awakening. It's happening. It's done. And in three years, I became a professional dancer.

Daniel Aaron:
Mhm.

Keren Rosenberg:
In a nutshell.

Daniel Aaron:
Thank you. That's great. Well, and I love when you started speaking about your mom telling you about your birth and you know, her saying you and you saying you were big. And as soon as you said that I, I immediately felt big as in energetically big. Right. And then you went on to describe your, you know, you were physically big. And what an extraordinary birth I love that. Hey, lady, you want to wake up and give birth? That's fantastic. And, um, you know, there's not always a relationship between physical size and energetic size. Um, yet as a performer, of course, you know, um, so. Well, right. As a performer, whenever we are performing, part of what we're doing is filling the space, right? And having our consciousness reach other people. And so that becomes energetic largeness as well. Does that make sense?

Keren Rosenberg:
Absolutely. Yeah. Um, there is a transcendence. So, um, like, I never understood why this. There was years that this magic would happen. So when you put a body, uh, in a certain light and you create a certain movement like a prayer, right? Because if you look at a dance, what is a dance? It's like a lot of movements that when you create them in, in a certain like a show is a ritual. So in a way, when you create them in a certain setting, um, you, you start to experience this, uh, sense of oneness. It's like it's almost like the body becomes a conduit and you're on the journey of birthing something that is bigger than the band. That is, that is greater and more, um, vibrational than the boundaries of our skin. So I've always felt that the more I matured into my performing and now in my living, is the journey of getting out of my body's way. Because inside of it is all the answers and all the wisdom.

Daniel Aaron:
Yeah beautiful. That makes complete sense. Okay, so I think we let's just go right into this massive, awesome, beautiful, amazing question, right? What what is the relationship between body and spirit. Right. And I'll preface this in a way. Let me let me say a tiny bit more. Um, I'm excited to to learn more of your perspective on this, because I know that you, you've you're deeply spiritual woman and you've created a system, a modality that, um, if I'm remembering right body home. Right. And we often think of body as temple. And I remember some of my teachers years ago who were quote unquote enlightened, right? Um, not that they would have called themselves that necessarily, but I wouldn't have argued with it, certainly very spiritually elevated yet who also didn't really pay attention to their bodies because they had this awareness that, you know, I am spirit. I'm not the body, right? The body is just the vessel. And and on some level I witness that. And I thought, wow, that's that's cool. That's very advanced. And, you know, I still think I am the body a lot of the time. And at the same time it perplexed me. I thought, well, what if they had all of that and they loved and cared for their body too? What would be possible then? So yeah, I said a lot. I'm curious for anything that comes to you around this topic.

Keren Rosenberg:
I love this and thank you for inviting me to dive right in. Um, so most people would unless there would, there would be like a big question or, or a separation or an event that would happen that creates an instigation or some are born really awake and there is a sense I am my body, this is me. I look at my hand, this is this is my hand, or I have a tattoo. I've done this to two on my skin. What happens if you no longer identify yourself with your body? What happens if there is a detachment? And this is like was the beginning of my experience. So in a way, in my early 20s I was really experimenting with psychedelics and I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed feeling and and listening to the wisdom that my body was sharing, and I could never stop moving and and experiencing the light and the miraculous around me. And I thought, oh wow, that's, you know, that's the the beauty in, in psychedelics, um, in the age of 33, which was like 11 years ago, I had a really big injury and I tore a ligament in my foot. And, um, it was such a complex surgery and it took a long time to to find a doctor that would be able to do it for, for me. And after we found this amazing doctor, um, it was it was a whole really incredible experience. But during this, after the surgery, a stitch opened and I ended up with really intense blood infection that climbed all the way to my ankle. So it was really dangerous and I was really sick. Um, so we ended up, like, rushing to the hospital and, um, you know, my foot didn't look like a, you know, the the foot or the hand that I look and I identify it look like something that, you know, looks like from a Halloween movie. And, um, and I saw the look of the doctor's face. They were really alarmed, and they were trying to keep a cool face for me. Um. And and I was really in pain. Like, I was in so much pain. And I felt like, you know, I'm. I felt really sick, and.

Keren Rosenberg:
And the first night, like, they they put a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot of antibiotics. And I had to sit in a wheelchair. I was not able to walk anymore. And then lying in the bed and I, I put, um, all Arvo Part is an Estonian really like angelic choreography. A music composer, he really creates music from the divine. And I was lying in the bed, and I had, like, all these tubes in my, in my, uh, in my vein. And I left my body, my spirit left. I really saw like a detachment. And I was floating outside and and I didn't pay much attention. Like I thought, okay, that's normal. Um. And I felt so much in peace, like peace that I, I've never felt in my life before. Like, I felt like the cushion, like the earth. I really felt like, you know, I was in so much pain. I was like, really in intensity with breathing and literally existing at this moment. And all of a sudden I felt like this incredible bliss and this sense of knowing that all is well and all is good. And I decided to enter back my body and and I fell asleep. And a day later, they didn't have enough spare room. So they needed to move me to a room with another woman. And we both needed to be in isolation because we had blood infection. And so they wanted to make sure that we are not coming in touch with other patients that had surgery. Um, and this incredible woman, she was a 90 year old Holocaust survivor in advanced stages of dementia. And it was me and her in the same room, and she was lying several beds away from me to make sure that because she was, she had to have her leg amputated, the level of the infection that she had from the nursing home. Like she they couldn't save her leg. So I was there, you know, young woman in her prime, um, with surgery, you know, got infected. And I'm. And I'm lying next to someone that is on the last day that she's inside her body. And there was not much movement, So it was so humbling and so beautiful to be, um, to be in this moment of grace.

Keren Rosenberg:
And in the beginning I was begging like the nurses, please don't do this to me. Like, don't like, like, you know, talking about trauma that could be like the creation of trauma. And the voice said to me, you know, no, this is you being in grace and in service because this beautiful woman doesn't have a voice right now. She cannot speak. You are her guardian right now. And and I remember like, sometimes they will put her sitting and and she had like very little movements. She would just stare, sit and stare. And sometimes she would just move one one hand while she was in this, you know, hospital thingy. And the way the nurses and the doctors were speaking to her, what they're going to do with her body or her children coming and singing to her, um, and, and we exchange numbers because, you know, I said to them, you know, I'm here and I, you know, if something happens, you know, no problem. And I remember, like, we had some moments that I would be in the room with her and I would speak and, and, you know, I started to ask myself, are you home, Tovah? Are you there? Can you hear me? Um. You know, why are you still here? Why do you choose to be here? And her parents told me that she's a fighter. Like she survived, you know, Holocaust. And I asked him about her life. And because her skin was like porcelain, it was just so beautiful. And I started to ask myself, like, okay, so before this injury, I was like Neo in Matrix. I think I shared it with you. I felt like this incredible, limitless, like, oh, my body can do that. All my body can do that. Oh wow. That's amazing. And all of a sudden, like, I'm on a wheelchair, I don't recognize my body. I'm like, on really, really heavy medications. And I'm like, I don't know myself anymore. I don't feel that I live inside my body anymore. And then I looked at her and Tova and I was like, are you home?

Daniel Aaron:
Huh?

Keren Rosenberg:
Are you here? And I remember it's going to sound weird to some people, or maybe not. When my grandma was in her last days and I came to visit and to say hello, and my grandfather didn't want her to go to the hospital. I guess he knew that these are the last days. And we entered the room and it was a very different smell. It was not a normal smell. And when I looked at my my grandma, I saw that the life force, vitality, the spirit of my grandma is not inside her anymore, that she is in between. And when Mancos was there. And then you know that we brought paramedics, you know, to take my grandma to the hospital. And I was, you know, I'm not a religious person, but that was the first time that I really prayed. And I prayed for my grandma to let go of the vessel that she's living in. And and then two days later, she she left her body. And so we were waiting for my dad to come from the US to, to Israel for the funeral. And I didn't know what to do. So I went to dance. And while I was dancing, I saw my grandma's spirit flying on the top of the ceiling. And I got so scared. I was like, grandma, what are you doing here? Go away! And I realized that because. And it was all in my head, like I was having these conversations with her. So she got scared. I got scared, and only later I realized that grandma wanted to come and say goodbye. So to answer a question with a really long story. We live inside our skin. Mm. And if you, you know, are the relationship with the vessel that we live in changes through the course of our lives. And when we nurture and farm this relationship that we, you know, with, with our life force, vitality and and the the land, the sacred land, the sacred vessel that we're we are living in. Then we get to experience a life of alchemy.

Daniel Aaron:
Mm.

Keren Rosenberg:
And when we leave our body, it's just a body. We are not home. It's like when you go and you take. Let's say when my grandma entered, then she was still my grandma. But then when she was buried, it wasn't my grandma. It was the body of my grandma. My. My grandma was not inside anymore.

Daniel Aaron:
Yeah. Thank you. It's a beautiful story and I really appreciate you sharing it with us And it, um, you know, it makes sense to me that in some way that was the, the Genesis or the, the, the creation of of body Home. Uh, and so much in that, um, many questions come to me. First off, you said a life of alchemy. Would you say more of that? What that means to you? Yeah.

Keren Rosenberg:
So it's a it's buddy house and it's. Yeah. And I love that you call it buddy home. I'm like, mm. That's so lovely. Thank you. I love the way also I see the way it resonates from you. Um, so you asked me about, uh, expressing about what is buddy House. House. That's what you wanted.

Daniel Aaron:
Uh, well. That's of course, very interesting, for sure. And and as you were describing that story with Tovah, part of what you said is that we get to live a life of alchemy. And I think there's a relationship with the body in what you're speaking of there. Is that right?

Keren Rosenberg:
Yeah. So thank you for clicking me right on the, on the on the path. Um, so alcohol it's a life of alchemy because when we become aware to that, we are conduit of energy. And we create this almost like this ritual of of creating ourselves and realigning ourselves inside this incredible vessel. Then our bodies starts to tell these incredible secrets and and wisdoms that when we start to listen, we become so rich with knowledge that life unfolds from within.

Daniel Aaron:
That's beautiful. I love that I think of, well, a couple things I bring to this part of our conversation. One is when I was a kid, um, my family was sedentary, right? Not only sedentary, overweight, unhealthy, like we we just didn't really move very much, you know, that was the way it was. My parents were, you know, academics, professionals. And so I grew up with a sort of a belief like, oh, I should exercise, but I don't want to. Nobody wants to know. Most people don't want to do what they should do. Right? Um, and then so later in my life, I got into yoga, right. And, and then I started learning like, oh, well, first was martial arts, then yoga, and then I started learning like, oh, hey, yeah, this body thing is kind of cool. Like, it can do things. And as I get more comfortable in it, um, possibilities open up and then through yoga. And it's funny with yoga because when, you know, one of the teachings, of course, of yoga is that we are a conduit, we are not the body, right? We're something much more than the body. Right? As you described with your grandma. Um, and and yet for a lot of us, when we get into it, we get so into our body like, oh, I can put my foot behind my head. Oh, I can stand on my hands. Look at all the tricks I can do with my body. Right? Um, and so then I had this funny relationship, like, well, is it my body? Is it not my body? And how important is it? And identification with it? And then I remember this line from a Hafez poem. Right. And I love this. He's a mystic poet for anyone that doesn't know. And one of his, uh, one of the lines in this beautiful poem is every desire of your body is holy. Every desire of your body is holy. Dear one, why wait until you're dying to discover that divine truth, right? Go ahead. It sparks something for you. Tell me, tell me.

Keren Rosenberg:
No. I'm like I'm dancing with you because this is so good.

Daniel Aaron:
Yeah. Okay. So, um, this this idea of alchemy, like. And I'm still. I want to dig more into what you mean by that. Part of what I think of is when I think of alchemy or I think of, uh, essential oil distillation. Right? There's this container, right? In alchemy, they call it the alembic. Right? This container that is, uh, holds the the matter right, the the physical matter, and then we do something with it. Some kind of pressure or heat. We, we and it creates a transformation of what's inside that container. And then what comes out is a different form, right? It's led to gold or, you know, rose petals become this tiny bit of rose oil. Right. And and so I think while our bodies are that alembic, right, we our body is the container in some way. It's a conduit, but also a container for our spirit. So I'm I'm meandering a bit though. I'd love to hear more from you around alchemy. If there's still more that you could share. I would love.

Keren Rosenberg:
To. So our bodies like it's a conduit and it's also a vessel that contains. Absolutely. And it's all comes down to the level of listening and cultivating a deep cellular level of listening. The more we listen, the more we listen, right? So when we learn to listen to our loved ones in relationship, or when we learn to listen and embody, embody, embrace, we talk about embodiment later, new information. It's about how we are present in the way we show up to the information. And when we talk about, uh, listening, our body holds and stores energy and imprints. Mm. And the imprints that our body's holding, it It could be from incredible events that happened in our lives and that we really want to hold on to them. Or it could be from events that left a mark, that left a residue and over time. So a lot of we talk about trauma, right. So a lot of the times like it, the trauma can be in in the psyche. The trauma can be in the, in the soul, uh, the trauma and the and a lot of people, they're going to go and on this, um, venture of, you know, going to a therapist or, or seeking any healing modalities. And the thing is, if we exclude the body from agency, not not from someone that is like doing it for us, but actually learning how to cleanse our own instrument and how to move the energy that is stagnant, or the energy that we hold on to something that is no longer there is no room for it anymore. Or we want to birth ourselves like we want to grow, we want to expand. So this is when we talk about listening, intentional movement and expansion. So these are so this is like almost like this. It's being in a moving prayer that creates the alkalizing of the body. Because you the more the more you expand, the more you move. The skin is a two way wall. It it's things come in and things come out and and when we allow and when we listen and when we create the movement, we become in synergy and in flow with what is inside of us and what is outside of us.

Keren Rosenberg:
Then we come back to unity and divinity. There is alignment and that's a beautiful state to be in. So yes, it can be experienced in a handstand and it can be experienced in a leg behind the head. It's the way you create this journey, the presence, the listening. And why are you doing it? That will create the the experience of being in alchemy. And and the thing is, we can heal our own body. We can be the the commander that moves the energy if we don't want it or if we want to transform it, if we want to vitalize ourself. Our body has everything that it needs in order to to heal itself. So we see we can see it on superficial wounds, but then if we do it on superficial wounds, let's imagine what we can do with our soul, with our spirit, um, with with our vitality, that that's on a whole different with our thoughts, with our words. So once we become in alignment to all of it, this is like, this is like a real dance.

Daniel Aaron:
Yeah. Beautiful I love that. So, you know, I feel like we're dancing around and playing with this, um, subtle, physical, spiritual, um, corporal play here at the body. Uh, on on the one hand, it's it's just it's just the container. Right. For something else. Um, yet Yet it's also something more. Right. And you spoke about it earlier that experiences you had when you were younger of, of, you know, looking at your foot in the hospital didn't look like your foot. Right? And we think I am my body. Right. And then you just describe this beautiful way about well, the skin is, it's, it's a, it's a gateway goes both ways. Two ways. Right. And and I'm part of what I'm hearing. Tell me if this feels accurate is that we have the ability, by becoming more aware or more at home in our house to, to go beyond just just me and become we even while in the body. Is that am I hearing something accurate there? Yeah.

Keren Rosenberg:
I love that you shared that. Um, so I didn't know if I'm going to dance again. Like, you know, I was like, okay, for for three months I was not allowed to walk. And I went to my physio and I said to him, hey, like and for those who are listening now, like, I was really in the peak of my career. So if you're like thinking about, you know, when you're you're a footballer or like at the beginning of your 30s up to mid 30s like this is this is the this is the fun. This is where you really get fun. And and here I am like, I, you know, I had to learn how to walk again and um, I had to really establish I had to date my body in a way.

Daniel Aaron:
Um.

Keren Rosenberg:
And so I went to my physio and I asked him, I want you to speak to me as if I'm your daughter. Can I ever dance again? And he said, Karen, I don't know. The best thing I can tell you is try as if this is the only option, and then let's see what's going to happen. And so before the surgery I love like I still I love ballet and I love to I love to jump with the boys because like I love to enjoy this explosion, explosive power and to kind of like cover spaces. And I was building myself. It took me eight, eight months, uh, to really build myself. And I was so lucky, like, I had the best physios ever, like the physio of Roger Federer was taking care of my foot, which is like, I can't ask for anything better. There was a whole team around me and I remember I was doing ballet exercises like and and seeing the rigor that I'm putting myself into next to, you know, training and, and starting to, to teach a lot and in professional companies. And I was like asking myself, well, Karen, you are putting like to be in the level or what, what you used to be. Yeah, you can do it. And is it worth it? There is a possibility for you right now to create the movement that is aligned for your body, that you will never put your foot at risk again. Um, okay, then what would that be? So the journey was to create a pathway of listening to the energy and gradually really start to see. And this is where synesthesia we talk about come into play, because I started to see the energy pathways that I'm moving into, and that was a way for me to to start creating the journey of body House and start to create this new way of listening to my body. And then I was like, oh wow. So if I can create it for myself and heal myself, let's start sharing it with others and let's start sharing it with the world.

Daniel Aaron:
That's beautiful, I love it. Okay, cool. So all right, since you brought up the word synesthesia, which is a beautiful word and concept that I'm aware that not everybody knows what that means. And I don't know. I mean, one is I'd love to hear you just share more of what your experience is with it. And also, as you've been speaking, you know, I really hear this theme of the body as listening tool, right? Um, am I actually, yeah. So let's set synesthesia aside for a minute. Will you say more about that? Am I hearing you correctly that there's a possibility of continuing to tune the body up as a listening device in some sense?

Keren Rosenberg:
Absolutely. Like we all have our unique instrument. Right? So Daniel's instrument, um, is very different than the Karen's instrument. And when we look at the body and as a conduit, the channels and moves and, and transforms and heals and and and plays, um, it's about creating this radical listening to what is within ourselves that is aligned with our own creation, so we can talk about the same movement. And yet your body and my body are going to experience it completely different. We can we can talk about anatomy. Great. But then if we talk about the essence, what is so beautiful? Because the spirit, the life force that Daniel is, and the combination of the vessel that you live in is one of a kind, never to be repeated like it will never exist. I will never exist again in this form, in this body, in this expression. And um, So when we create this radical listening and it's listening is the presence, it's how am I present inside my skin? And when I emerge into movement, then how can I extend and see with clarity where am I emerging from and where am I expanding to? And that's a beautiful journey. So yes, it's about listening. It's about presence. It's about connection and it's about surrendering and yielding a lot.

Daniel Aaron:
Mhm. Beautiful okay. So what we've been talking in some ways about being in the body, being present. Right. And there's a term that's used a lot these days. Embodiment. Right. Um, and what's what's what does that mean to you, I guess is my question. Uh, before.

Keren Rosenberg:
We go into that, into that, that I want to I want to say about this synesthesia just because it's going to lock it in. Perfect, perfect. So synesthesia is like when two or more senses are over, are overarching each other, or are connected. And um, so some people can see taste or uh, so then the senses of taste and the sight are there, they're clocked in together or some people can even hear smell. That's a possibility. Mm. Um, in my case, I can see sound. I can see energy and ask me how I discovered it. Once again, the rave scene in Israel, great source. And and the way I experienced it is, um, I started to see the trails of the music, and I started to see how the music starts to move in space and, and creates these live drawings around me, inside of me. And I realized like, oh, wow. So if I, I can become like, if I listen to the sound and I can see the sound, then I can graph with my body the sound. Um, and I can graph it as if I'm describing it with, with the, with the external extremities of my body. Or I can become the, the, the, the line of the sound. So then I was like, whoa. So when with body House and the whole journey of healing, it was really about starting to see the pathway of energy, how energy is traveling in my body and how can I, you know, where? Where is it stagnated? Where do I need to create more, more movement? What is it wanting to say? So then in a way, when people would ask me when they would see my work and they would say, is it like, is it improvised? I said, no, absolutely not. It's it's um it's choreographic. It's, um, energetic scores. So I mapped the body with energy centers and where there is mediation point. So if we look at the body as, as a vessel, our body as a vessel that we live in, we look at where there are, where there are orifices, where there are windows and doors. That creates direct mediation between what is inside our skin and what is outside. And how can I create this communication, like the, um, the video that we have right now, or the mouth that is speaking, or my hands that are moving or my feet that are touching. Um, so when we talk about embodiment, it's about creating this sense of oneness and alignment. With all the facets of our being. And what's kind of like is the glue like that keeps it together is is the way the energy is and how we move through the different facets of our existence.

Daniel Aaron:
Mhm. Beautiful. Okay. Cool. Thank you for bringing those together and well and in fact a lot of what I heard, the word that I kept hearing as you were speaking is congruency. Right. There's something about the merging of body and spirit and energy and sound that it comes together in, in one in some way or can. Yeah. So time is flying along. Um, you've, you've gone from being a performer as your main focus and now you've created body House. You work as a coach, you're a talent development expert. You're bringing community into the mix. So, um, what What? How do you work now? What's your work like? How do you serve people?

Keren Rosenberg:
Great question. Um, you need to ask them.

Daniel Aaron:
Fair.

Keren Rosenberg:
Um. I think that for me, I was really curious because I was like, okay, I've done this for 22 years and I've I've created the body House that embody embodiment language. I've traveled the world with my art, and my ego wanted to conquer the biggest stages. And, you know, I was sure that, you know, my name will be written in the books of history. And all of a sudden, you know, um, the universe said, you're done. Like, I, I canceled the biggest project in my career. I gave back to the funds. Um, it was in the last lockdown, and I really felt like there was a song that was playing in my ears. There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza, dear Liza. And keep on. And holes kept on showing themselves. And I remember standing in my kitchen. And this question came to me and, and it says, do you see yourself carrying doing this for another 22 years? And I asked you before if I can swear. And it was fuck no, it was so clear. And I was like, what? You know, like, what? You know who said that? And then I started to listen and I was like, wait. So then the word evolution and reintegration came into play, and it kept on living inside of me like a mantra. And I was like, okay, so I've shared body House with thousands of people and it became like a ritual before my shows, like how I invited audiences to experience themselves and each other before the performative, transformative experience. And I was like, what if I were to offer a journey rather than to the hundreds or to the to the groups that I'm, that I'm facilitating or, uh, teaching in. Like, what if I were to really create a tailor made experience for for whoever went? And during that time I was creating a performative novel called Going Primal, and I was creating a homage for my ancestral spirit, Margiela. So the whole the whole novel was about how do you connect with your spirit and how do you channel your spirit through the vessel of your being. And so I created the work, a workshop series that was called, um, Dance Transfer and what is it, dance, Shamanism and transformation and, uh, ignite, reignite your vitality And 90 people came, and I didn't even know what coaching was.

Keren Rosenberg:
But I hired the coach because I realized, like, I'm in a big boo boo, and I was having dark nights of the soul for a while, and I was like, you know what? I'm done. Like, I'm so fucking done. It's like it's gone. So I was like, okay, what would it take? So I was, I was listening to this podcast by this incredible guy Lou Redman. He's on Spotify. What an amazing not Spotify, um, uh, insight timer and what an amazing guy. And then I was like, okay, let's connect with him and like, let's see his website 5:00 in the morning. And then he said, and then he said, oh, you can have discovery calls. And I was like, I can meet my superstar from the US. Wow. And I didn't even know what discovery call is. I didn't even know what coaching was. And I just booked a call and and then I met this guy, and I literally like, you know, I was a fan, and I shared with him that I'm, you know, where I'm at and what I'm building. And he said, well, Karen, what about you sharing that you can create these journeys for people? One you know, every time you finish the the workshop series, share with people. So from this workshop I signed nine people. That's how it started. And then while I was saying my goodbye to her, like gradually evolving from the theater, I shared, um, a changing room, a dressing room with one of the performers, and I asked her, how are you doing? And she said, well, I'm surviving, not thriving. And all of a sudden I heard myself saying, well, um, I'm opening a coaching practice. And, um, you know, I, I've been through whatever. You're on my yourself because I've been for the last six years solo performing artists. So you have a team around you, but then it's myself and my body, like full evening shows. And she was on the same path as well. And she said, I would love to. So she signed up with me for three months. Seven people. Nine people, nine people came from the dance, shamanism and transformation.

Keren Rosenberg:
And then I've. In four months I became full.

Daniel Aaron:
Hmm.

Keren Rosenberg:
And never looked.

Daniel Aaron:
Back. That's beautiful. I love it. And, you know, and I think one of the key things there, and I'm sort of highlighting this for the especially the people that are new into coaching and developing their coaching businesses. Because I have little bits of conversation like this with folks often. What what part of what I heard you model and exemplify in that is you realized I could help people, right? There's something I see that there is more possible for them. Or, you know, the you know, with that woman, she could go from surviving to thriving, right. And so many of the folks that I know that get into any kind of helping profession, it's because they've got a big heart and they really care about people. And then they often have this sort of blockage around money or sales. And I remember years ago, and I had plenty of that myself. Years ago. And I remember, uh, reading a book by Dan Pink on, I think it's called. To sell is human or to be human is to sell or something like that. And he said, you know, there's this expression in sales called the upsell, right? Which is, you know, the when the, the, the waiter or the waitress says, would you like dessert? Would you like a drink with that? And we often think of it as, oh, can we get more money from that person? Can we get them to spend more? What I heard you say, though, that you got from the coach and the discovery call that you had was you could up serve, right? You could take the people in that event that you created and say, hey, we could go further, right? We could we could create something even more together. Right? And it feels like that's where you were coming from in both cases that you just described for us. And to me, that's like that's pure and beautiful. And the universe. And those people responded.

Keren Rosenberg:
Thank you. And what I want to share for those who are creating or creating the the path of service, you are not new. You're not new in like you're not new into coaching. If this is what you're called into, then there is and this is your path. Then there is something in you that's already knows that you are. You are the service. You are the path. And I remember like as a, as an artist there would always like they didn't know how to label me.

Daniel Aaron:
Um.

Keren Rosenberg:
We always even today we were like, what are you. And I'm like, I'm an octopus, I'm a divine octopus. I can speak about octopus as the whole day, but. But then I remember, like they said, well, are you a performing artist? Are you like a filmmaker? Are you a visual artist? Um, you know, uh, what are you. And I said, I'm all of them, and none of them. I'm what the work is called to be.

Daniel Aaron:
Mhm.

Keren Rosenberg:
And they said, oh so you're outside of the box artist. And they said, well if you need to create this box for me to give me the funds, go for it. And they did, they created that box for me. And the same thing happened in, in coaching because it's very easy for us to um, compare or to say, how can I position myself? How could I sell? And I would love to kindly share any program that says that gives you the bullet points of how to put yourself out there and what will get you money and and like, buy a template, run, fucking run. Because each and every one of us is a pioneer, pioneering our own unlived path. Therefore, Daniel, what you're offering, like the podcast that you're hosting, the journey of being with you, is unmatched to anything else that any person will ever offer. And whoever is listening, it's the same. So why titling like or why even thinking or why even comparing like be you be Be audacious, be courageous and don't give a fuck. Because at the end of the day, like sometimes I'm like, shit, am I really getting paid to dance with my clients virtually? Like some of them are, are like CEOs and and like, you know, corporate leaders or, or performing artists that now want to create themselves out. So I'm like, yeah, it's possible. So everything that makes your soul sing, everything that you want to give, not because you want to kind of like, you know, help the suffering, but you want to empower and elevate the consciousness and the bliss and the life. That's where that's where enrollment comes in. And this is where also money comes in as well.

Daniel Aaron:
Wow that was awesome. Thank you. What a what a beautiful share that you just gave to to everyone I love that. So Karen, time is flying by. We're, uh, we're nearly up against the hour here. So what's, uh, what's the best way for people to get in touch with you, learn about you, explore.

Keren Rosenberg:
I would love to create this radical invitation, um, for each and every one that's listening to it. If after they have listened to this podcast and it resonates with them, connect with me and share with me what deeply resonated with you and what do you if you have any questions, if I can support you with something, let me know, because I don't want to, you know, create a sales or whatever I want to. I want that whoever is listening to know that I'm here. We are on the journey together and we are one on our journey of growth and expansion. So yeah, Facebook. Write me an email. Um, you know, my website is funny because in my business exploded and I didn't have time to update. So yeah, you can even write from there. Yeah. Facebook, Karen, or write me through my email. I would love to support you and serve you if you have a question. And if you're in a place that you feel like you need someone to connect with, I'm here, I dare you.

Daniel Aaron:
I dare you. Awesome. Okay, so one way y'all can can connect to Karen is through Facebook. And in case you're listening, not watching, I'll read it out. It's the, uh, the usual facebook.com slash Karen r, and it's k e r e n r. So beautiful I love it. That's a great dare. I love that you make yourself available. And as we are just about out of time, what remains for me is to say thank you so much, Karen. I'm amazed at your your wisdom, your generosity of sharing, um, your the way your mind and heart and body all work together to express. It's, uh, it's beautiful and breathtaking. And thanks for being such a, you know, a divine warrior warrioress who's overcome so much to have so much to share with us here. Thank you for being with us.

Keren Rosenberg:
Thank you for creating such a beautiful experience and and for connecting with me and enrolling me to to your generous creation. You're beautiful. Thank you. Rev Daniel.

Daniel Aaron:
You are so welcome. Thank you. And y'all, the big heroes of the show, the audience. Thank you for tuning in. How blessed are we that we get to learn from amazing people like Karen. I am so grateful for y'all for tuning in, for being dedicated enough to your vibrant, amazing life that you're doing something about it that you're learning. Thank you all. See you soon, I love you! Mahalo for tuning in to the Art of Vibrant Living show y'all! I'm Daniel Aaron and may you live with great vibrancy.

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